Further to my previous e-mails (inserted at the end of this e-mail) about contacts with Dr Hoeh, I now find some time to add some further information. The interest shown thus far has been encouraging.

Firstly, you can download a lot of his research at http://www.friendsofsabbath.org/~surfer/HL%20Hoeh/ and audio sermons at http://www.friendsofsabbath.org/~surfer/HL%20Hoeh%20sermons/ It is of utmost important that this information be preserved. I hope to scan other materials and upload them in due course.

If you have any other papers or sermons by him, please let me know asap.

Now, some have wondered why Dr Hoeh continued with the WCG and was a Board member until his death. This was debated to and fro for years. From those that knew him well, the answers were:

1. he was ultra loyal and would not budge. He did not wish to give the appearance of rebellion

2. he did not want anyone to follow him into another group - each person was to make up their own mind what to do

3. ministers told members after HWA's death that Hoeh was charged to help Tkach and to show him the ropes. Some thought that this meant that he had a permanent, legal status on the Board and could never be removed. I would have no idea if this is true or a mere guess. Others felt that he thought that 'something would happen' and that he and others may be asked to take over (which meant that he knew something about these guys). Again, this cannot be proven - I doubt if they heard him say that!

4. he did say to various ones though that he thought he would he 'switch off the lights' and 'close the door'. He did this with Big Sandy where he gave the closing message. Perhaps he thought he would do the same with Pasadena???

My own impressions were that he believed that something would work itself out in the Church. In my paper on "The Seven Eras of Ancient Israel - Type of the Eras of the True Church?", I state the following"

>Glengarry Rupert and Andrew Dugger, whose writings and doctrines were very influential on Mr Armstrong, believed in Church Eras. Rupert, for example, wrote a booklet The Seven Churches published in the early years of this century. On pages 19-20 he writes with great insight in reference to the Philadelphia Era in chapter 3 of the book of Revelation:

“Verse 9 shows there is a great apostacy during the history of the Philadelphia church. Yet there are some few in that age that have kept his word ... How truly all this history is fulfilled before the eyes of those who can see, having eyes anointed to discern truth ... Now is the time to not be ashamed of his truth and proclaim it”.

How accurate and inspired he was! It seems that these words proved prophetic some 80 years later!<

This paper may be downloaded from http://www.originofnations.org/HRP_Papers/doc/index.htm A related paper is "Seven Restorations of the Work of the Church of God" which should be read in conjunction with it.

I have felt for a very long time that this scripture in Rev 3:9 does note only mean to literally worship, but also that this group that hijacked our Church and illegaly took over its resources with the full knowledge and plan to destroy it, will some day come to recognise who the true believers are. Is this what Hoeh had in mind? I do not know.

But those that have been wrongfully abused and sidelined by interlopers, have often later been apologised to or at least acknowledged that they are God's people. So it has an historical, prophetic and spiritual application to it like so many scriptures.

'They shall worship at your feet' may be understood in the light of scriptures such as Is. 60:14; 45:14; 49:23; Zech. Ps 72:9; Zech 8:23.

Indeed, the Greek word is proskuneo = prostrate, worship, bow down = respect

The 'Jamieson, Fausett & Brown Commentary' states:

9. I will make--Greek present, "I make," literally, "I give" (see on JF & B for Re 3:8). The promise to Philadelphia is larger than that to Smyrna. To Smyrna the promise was that "the synagogue of Satan" should not prevail against the faithful in her: to Philadelphia, that she should even win over some of "the synagogue of Satan" to fall on their faces and confess God is in her of a truth. Translate, "(some) of the synagogue." For until Christ shall come, and all Israel then be saved, there is but "a remnant" being gathered out of the Jews "according to the election of grace." This is an instance of how Christ set before her an "open door," some of her greatest adversaries, the Jews, being brought to the obedience of the faith. Their worshipping before her feet expresses the convert's willingness to take the very lowest place in the Church, doing servile honor to those whom once they persecuted, rather than dwell with the ungodly. So the Philippian jailer before Paul.

10. patience--"endurance." "The word of My endurance" is My Gospel word, which teaches patient endurance in expectation of my coming ( Rev 1:9 ). My endurance is the endurance which I require, and which I practice. Christ Himself now endures, patiently waiting until the usurper be cast out, and all "His enemies be made His footstool." So, too, His Church, for the joy before her of sharing His coming kingdom, endures patiently. Hence, in Rev 3:11 , follows, "Behold, I come quickly."

In this regard, I also find the 'Matthew Henry Complete Commentary on the Whole Bible' comment on 2 Samuel 3 to be of interest:

"God’s choice (v. 18): "The Lord hath spoken of David. Compare v. 9. When God appointed Samuel to anoint him he did, in effect, promise that by his hand he would save Israel; for for that end he was made king. God having promised, by David’s hand, to save Israel, it is both your duty, in compliance with God’s will, and your interest, in order to your victories over your enemies, to submit to him; and it is the greatest folly in the world to oppose him.’’ Who would have expected such reasonings as these out of Abner’s mouth? But thus God will make the enemies of his people to know and own that he has loved them, Rev. 3:9. He particularly applied to the men of Benjamin, those of his own tribe, on whom he had the greatest influence, and whom he had drawn in to appear for the house of Saul. He was the man that had deceived them, and therefore he was concerned to undeceive them. Thus the multitude are as they are managed. V. David concludes the treaty with Abner".

Below are some points from a few phone calls for your interest:

Anyway, Hoeh was fascinated by the concept and was rather excited and animated by it. He was certainly supportive and said 'bless you', 'bless you' on a number of occasions as I told him about it. Lesser ones, not accomplished like him and just wanting to criticise and be jealous did all they can to destroy someone's good works. Yet Hoeh was completely different - he was positive and uplifting. He kept on asking me questions about it and really was enthusiastic about building bridges between Church of God folk.

3. Concerning the takeover of the Church, he said that these men were "going into destruction". He used a lot of very strong language against them. I was rather taken aback and wondered if something hadn't happened recently for him to be so strident in his comments. He opened up to me and named names etc.

4. In 1995, I believe I asked him of his thoughts on the various groups that broke from WCG. First of all I mentioned the 'loyal opposition' that eventually, in the main, became the UCG. He said that there are 'more than two camps' which meant that there was a 3rd, still within WCG, apparently still keeping to the Truth. I doubt if there are too many left now. Most true believers have joined other groups, but some are still there, enduring until they are forced out.

5. He was also supportive of the 'Origin of Nations' magazine and said he read it. He did warn me that Mike Feazell was going around condeming it. Nice guy!

6. In 1986 when a jealous minister hounded me non-stop after he heard that I was attempting to get my book published, I rang Dr Hoeh. He was not in, but Carol Miller rang back on his behalf and said that the book was fine to be published etc. The persecuters changed tack and tried other means to hound me. It is all in my diary in great detail. This reminds me on 3John 1:8-11:

"We therefore ought to receive such, that we might be fellowhelpers to the truth.

I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not. [this sounds so familiar]

Wherefore, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church.

Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God."

7. We spoke about the Laodicean period and I wondered if the Messianics/Hebrew Roots groups now emerging could be among the next Sabbatarian wave. He gave the distinct impression that he agreed and said that 'fantastic things are happening in Protestantism'. I think he was referring to the huge interest being taken in the Law, Old Testament, Sabbath and Holy Days by protestant researchers (I call them the 'school of theonomy'). Some are seriously keeping these days privately.

On another issue on Dr Hoeh's supposed interest in Buddhism. Over the years, Dr Hoeh has been accused of mixing too much with Buddhists and all sorts of other weird and untrue things have been said about him (and others) all over the place.

Actually, the truth is as follows:

The reason why Dr Hoeh had some friendship with them, is similar to the prophets of old having liaison with leaders; or Christ with non-believers - as a witness. In addition, Buddhists told Dr Hoeh that their ancient documents kept in Tibet provided historical records of the death of Christ. Their emissaries learned of His death and relayed the information back to Tibet where this was recorded. This would provide some fascinating information - who knows what it would reveal?

Alas, due to the Communist takeover of Tibet, many ancient documents were either destroyed or disappeared and Dr Hoeh kept in touch with them in the hope that if and when these documents were found, he might be in a position to view them.

The above is the best I recall it from a brother who spoke to Dr Hoeh in 2004 and related this information to me. I saw a TV programme on Discovery Channel a few weeks ago about a certain Buddhist group which documents were destroyed by the Communists in Tibet and I wonder if that is the same group. So, instead of having an interest in Buddhism, he was actually a kind of spiritual Indiana Jones, undertaking research and seeking information!

Finally, some still speculate that he was offered the job of Pastor-General. HWA knew full well that Hoeh was not interested in the job and he was not offered it, but his advice as the most senior minister after HWA was sought on who should take over.

In the end, he died humble and contrite. He was not a wealthy man owning a whole lot of properties that some allege.

I trust that the above is of interest. I am sure that others of you have much more information about this fascinating man. If so, do e-mail me.

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My previous e-mails:

I thought that this titbit would be of interest to you:

In my letter dated 10 Sept 2003 I stated my concerns to Dr Hoeh

"that your revised Compendium and other research you have undertaken over the years (eg on the Hebrew Calendar, time of the Crucifixion, prophecy etc) may not ever be published or distributed. So, I was wondering if you have any plans for publishing or distributing your research at all.

I recall Garth Wardrop years ago, and am still trying to find his books that were supposed to be published after he died about 1988, to no avail. Another contact of mine also died with his research becoming lost."

[btw I wrote similarly to Raymond F McNair on 3 October 2003 of my concerns

"that your book and other research you have undertaken over the years may not ever be published or distributed.

So, I was wondering if you have any plans for publishing or distributing your research at all.

I recall Garth Wardrop years ago, and am still trying to find his books that were supposed to be published after

he died about 1988, to no avail. Another contact of mine also died with his research becoming lost."

Mr McNair subsequently gave me the go-ahead to have his book typed. Some time prior to that a friend very

kindly scanned his entire manuscript. I was able to garner the assistance of many fine Christians to type it up

into Word].

In a couple of telephone conversations with me, Hoeh said that his revised Compendium and other works would 'very definitely' be published. I was loathe to ask if that would be soon or post-humously because I didn't have a good feeling about it. I can only assume that his family will preserve his library as a single unit and arrange publication of his works, papers and notes either in book form or via the internet. It is said that his library contains 10,000 works (others say it contains 20,000).

I recall back in about 1977 that Triumph Publishers were to publish Dr Hoeh's revised Compendium as well as Mr McNair's thesis on 'Key to Northwest European Origins' under the title of 'In Search of ... the lost 10 tribes of Israel'. I don't know whatever happened to those manuscripts.

The original edition of my book was titled "Lost Races of the Ancient World - discovered at last!" In fact, the contract was signed in 1984 or 1985 and Dr Hoeh personally approved of the book after reviewing it although he had little input into its contents. (My schooling forces me to write and reference in a different way to him.) That did not stop the heated jealousy of one minister doing all he could to attempt to drive me out of the Church due to the book! What happened was that a deacon from my church area happened to travel interstate and bump into my typist. She mentioned the book to him which commenced a fury and jealousy that was almost beyond belief (my diary is full of the amazing details). Frightened members came to me to reveal the incredible intrigue and list of accusations being spread and spread - all because of a book.

When the minister called me in and berated and brow-beat me for a long time, I then showed him the letter from Dr Hoeh. He then backed down, but within weeks commenced a horrible campaign against me.

In any event, in 1998 Dr Hoeh told me that he had further evidence for the Assyrian origin of the Germans which he would send me - alas, this information never arrived. He also had further proofs for a Wednesday crucifixion and other information he said he would send to me.

About 1995 and 1996 he revealed to me that Mike Feazell was running down my 'Origin of Nations' magazine at WCG meetings (apparently these were senior meetings). Yet Hoeh said he would continue to help the distribution of it quietly. He said he would also write articles for it - but none arrived - I can only assume that he was pre-occupied by other importan tasks at hand. Nevertheless, the lines of communication between us remained open and he subscribed to the magazine which he said he enjoyed and had on his desk.

The magazine is no longer being published (the mailing list was given to Yair Davidy - I felt that there was no point in duplicating efforts and that his magazine was a better alternative). However, all copies of the 'Origin of Nations' magazine may be found online at www.originofnations.org for free.

I have several projects before me: the first is to scan a precious old AC document with the permission of the author. The following one is to scan typed notes of Dr Hoeh's 1970s and 1980s lectures and a paper by him on Nebuchadnezzar. Today I found a typed notice that I inserted into this collection of papers which is dated as 8 May 1979. In summary I stated that Hoeh had revised his Compendium etc.

Finally, to assist those who would like to know a little more about Hoeh's Compendium, I quote the following letter from him to a WCG member and which I personally saw and copied (this is all verified by those that have spoken with Hoeh):

"Dear Dr Hoeh,

I heard recently that you have rewritten The Compendium of World History and that it is available in book stores. If this is so could you please let me have some information, so that I could purchase a copy.

Yours sincerely,

(dated 16 April 1982 )"

Dr Hoeh's response:

"Dear Mr (name withheld),

Your information is erroneous [re the availability in book stores]. I have edited some areas needing corrections - Egypt, Mesopotamia, Early Assyria, Hittites, archaeology, geology and the latter half of Exodus route (beginning after Sinai) [this would amend most of vol. I - Craig]. The Church at this moment has limited interest in understanding these matters so I am correcting only what is necessary for the Plain Truth, etc, as in Keith Stump's reference in the GN to the Israelites in slavery - Exodus 1443; Thutmose III beginning 1504; Flood 2325-2324; crossing Jordan 1403; Solomon 968-928.

Herman L. Hoeh"

You will find this revised thinking in the following articles:

Stump, K (1988) "Pharoahs of the time of the Exodus", GN, March-April

Stavrinides, K (1986) "The Home of Abraham", GN, June-July

Stump, K (1980) " The Stones Cry Out", GN, Dec

Stump, K (1982) " As Passover Approaches ... a New look at slavery in ancient Egypt", GN, March

Hoeh, HL (1979) "The Revelations of Archaeology", GN, April

Hoeh, HL (1980) "A New look at Ezekiel's Prophecy on Tyre", GN, Dec

Hoeh, HL (1987) "A Sealed Prophecy", GN, Nov-Dec.

See also comments by Hoeh contained in the 19.1.86 Coworker Letter; some changes in the "Crucifixion was not on Friday"; some minor changes in "The US & Britain in Prophecy".

More following,

Craig

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I just happened to stumble across this e-mail. Kind of spooky.

Craig
"surfer1" <surfer1@t...> wrote: > Have spoken, corresponded, compared the old Compendium with what he > later wrote, preached or stated. So, have an idea where he was at. He told me a few years ago that his works will "very definitely" be > published. > > Me thinks that won't be until after he dies the rate things are going. I know people who wrote works only to die and the works never finding their way into the right hands. > > That is why I am anxious to get my work published asap and let others > build upon it if they so wish. A copy of the files are with Richard > Nickels who has been given the right to publish the book 'should > anything happen to me'. Doesn't look likely that anything would > 'happen', but one never knows and we have to be wise. The book is about > to be published, so there are now 9 great books that have just been > published or are about to be by various authors. God will 'raise up > these stones' if the CoGs won't publish or preach on certain subjects. > > Craig > > -----Original Message----- > From: ibbblank <Ibbblank@y...> [mailto:Ibbblank@y...] > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 12:51 AM > To: unitedchurchofgodaia@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [United Church of God AIA] Re: Are The Germans Assyrians and > Copendium > > > Hi Craig -- > > That is quite interesting. So, you have obviously spoken with him on > this? > > --- <surfer1@t...> wrote: > > > Hoeh withdrew volume 1 (the chronology, especially of Egypt, was too > > Velikovskian apparently - he eschewed most, but not all of vol 1). > Vol 2 is mainly still accepted by him. > > > > He had a new version ready to be published in 1977/78 by Triumph > > Publishers. McNair's book on "In Search of the Lost 10 Tribes" was > also going to be published back in those days by Triumph. Alas, they > never saw the light of day. > > > > Craig